Mr Hough的Shout Combo（临场指挥）
本帖最后由 greenriver 于 2012-12-5 20:38 编辑官网地址：http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/335135-Mr-Hough-s-Shout-Combo-It-s-The-Future-Thread
官网上继Fuss之后,一直坚持的Mr Hough也放弃经典战术，开始研究TC尤其是shout(临场指挥)。之前Cleon,wwfan,fuss和mr hough曾经对经典战术有过分析，认为无非是对比赛引擎的破解创造出那些超级战术，而SI有意识地在利用补丁填补比赛引擎的漏洞，因此玩家也许需要转变思路，通过TC提供的一些便利控制比赛，同样可以创造不少乐趣，而且更有临场指挥的感觉。
我的理解正如这一代彻底取消了训练包一样，玩家可以方便直观地控制球员的训练；现在SI也在促使玩家不再花过多心思创造一个BUG的战术，而把更多的玩点放在比赛过程的指挥上，具体来说就是临场指挥。我也一向偏爱经典战术和微调，对临场指挥完全没概念，不过也准备换个思路玩玩FM。
Mr Hough提供了几组指挥组合，可根据比赛情况自行调整。他所使用的阵形是默认的4231回收,站位图如下，基本都设为默认，个人设置所有队员设置很少远射
下边就是mr hough放出来的临场指挥组合，对TC战术不熟悉，或者对Shout不熟悉的可以参考下
1.play like barca 常用，主控
2.Some Wing Play 常用，多打边路
3.Pressure the Opposition 加强拼抢
4.Hold On The/Keep Possession 控球
5.Park The Mini Bus 全面退守（心态默认，我自己改成的全守）
6.All Out Attack全力进攻（心态自己调整）
使用方法：在战术界面的临场设置（shout）里添加各种组合，在比赛中根据形式选择就可以了
二楼是cleon对具体各指令的分析，各位可参考自己调整自己适用的指挥组合 Defensive Distribution
Play Out of Defence –It will instruct any player with a defensive duty (midfield and defence) to play shorter passes. So it reduces passing. It’s worth using this if you find that these players are just hoofing the ball forward and giving possession away cheaply.
Pump Ball Into Box – This is great to use when you are chasing a goal late in a game. It instructs players to pass longer and play through the middle. It tells your defenders (and defensive midfielders) to try less through balls. If you use wide players it will ask them (and fullbacks) to hold up the ball rather than trying to play down the channels and instruct fullbacks to cross more (so make sure they are set to cross from deep). Your strikers will be told to run from deep more often.
It’s also great to use this is you have big target men type forwards who tower over the defenders and are good in the air. You can score quite a few goals by using this shout I’ve found out.
Clear Ball to Flanks - This shout instructs players to pass long, to play wider and focus play down the wings. It also tells defenders (and defensive midfielders) to play less through balls. I generally use this if teams play narrower (the narrow Man City 4231) than me. It’s also good for counter attacking if the opposition are playing through the middle.
Defensive Line
Push Higher Up - Self explanatory this one. You instruct the defence to move high up the pitch and increases closing down. Ideal for using if you are facing slow strikers (you need intelligent defenders though), a team who are very defensive or if you want to reduce the space that the opposition is playing in.
Drop Deeper – Again explains itself but it tells the players to drop back deeper and reduces closing down. Times to use this are if you play against a team who pushes high up themselves and you are struggling to find any kind of space. Dropping deeper could see you create a bit more space. It’s also good to employ against fast strikers.
Tackling
Get Stuck In - This tells the team to tackle hard. Useful if the motivation widget tells you if the opposition are playing nervous or if a team has low bravery. Use this if you get the sense of your team been to0 soft and you think they could be winning the ball back quicker. Note though that you need the correct attributes from your own players to time the challenge right or you could pick up extra bookings and sending off’s.
Stay On Feet – Everyone (unless you use a BWM) will be instructed to easy tackle. This is useful if you feel challenges are been miss-timed or if you are just been reckless. Also good to use if your players are lack the tackling attribute. Using this also helps the team keep its defensive shape, especially against technically fast sides.
Passing
Pass Into Space - This is one of my favourite shouts to use especially if I am struggling to break down the opposition. It increases through balls so the players pass the ball in front of the receiver so he can run onto the ball. It’s great for creating space and forcing the opposition’s players to try and make a tackle.
Pass Into Feet – Reduces through ball’s for the players. This is good to use if you feel too many passes are been intercepted by the opposition or you feel too many passes are been misplaced. If you have slow players this is the type of passing you want rather than the pass into space one above.
Width
Play Wider – Instructs the players to play wider and to focus passing down both flanks. If the opposition are playing narrow it can be used to try and stretch them wider. Extremely useful if the midfield is cramped and you are outnumbered.
Play Narrower - You focus passing through the centre and decrease width. I find it best used when the opposition are outnumbered and leaving holes through the centre. It’s also useful if you want to pack the midfield and become more solid to get through.
Attacking
Run At Defence - Instructs all attacking players to run with the ball often. This does not include MC’s on attacking duty, only attacking midfielders. This is best used when the opposition allows your attacking players time on the ball .i.e. not closing you down. It can be a great shout to use if the opposition is standing off you. It can be equally effective if the oppositions defence are bad at tackling as well.
Play Through Defence – Tells the players to run with the ball rarely. This only works for attacking midfielders (AML/AMR too) and strikers. The rest of the players will still be as you’ve instructed them to play; this includes MC’s who have an attacking duty. This can be a great shout to use if you feel the opposition are defending well and winning the ball too much from your attacking players. So use this when you are struggling to break down the oppositions defence.
Shooting
Shoot On Sight – Increases the long shots for your team. Can be used against sides that are deemed to park the bus in front of the goal. Advisable to use if your attacking players have a good long shot attribute.
Work Ball Into Box – This tells players to use long shots rarely. This is useful if you think your players are shooting too often. Or if you find you want to keep possession and be more probing.
Wing Play
Hit Early Crosses – Tells fullback, wingbacks, wide midfielders and wingers to cross the ball early. It puts run with ball on rarely and cross from on mixed. This can be used against sides that play with a high defensive line. This can also be used if you have a fast striker who can break defences with his pace and acceleration.
Look For Overlap – Your fullbacks or wingbacks will be given a more attacking mentality, run from deep often, cross ball often and be asked to cross from byline. While your wingers will be given a more defensive mentality, run from deep rarely and hold up the ball. It’s great to use against defensive sides who don’t really pose an attacking threat. Can also be used against narrow formations that lack wide players.
Take A Breather - Decreases forward runs and tempo. You should use this is you don’t have players with good stamina or if condition is getting a bit low. It’s useful to use in games where you might have a few close games in succession. Can also be used to help maintain a good lead.
Possession
Retain Possession – Shortens passing length and slows the tempo down for your players. I use this shout a lot, it helps pass the ball around and not give possession away easily. Some people enjoy dominating possession as they believe if the opposition don’t have the ball they can’t score. Which is true but it’s also a good tool to use when you want to close a game out and hold onto the current result. Rather than go defensive and invite un-needed pressure I believe this to be a lot less risky and just as effective;
Get Ball Forward – Increases both passing length and tempo for the side. If you feel you are having a lot of possession but not really doing anything with it, then you’ll want to use this touchline shout. Also good to use this if you are chasing a game.
Pressing
Stand-Off Opponents – Changes marking to loose zonal, reduces closing down drastically and decreases tempo. When you play a technically superior side and don’t want players to get skinned you’d use this shout to ensure you keep your defensive shape and don’t allow gaps to appear which the opposition could exploit.
Hassle Opponents – Increases the tempo, tells the team to tight man mark and also increases the closing down for your side. Use this if you want to reduce space and time that you allow the opposition to have. Works good with a very attacking strategy and against teams who are a lot weaker than yours.
Midfield Distribution
Exploit The Flanks – It gives the fullback/wingbacks and wingers more attacking and focuses the play down both flanks. It also tells them to run from deep and cross the ball more often. If you use central midfielders then it’ll tell them to hold up the ball. You should use this if you find the middle over crowded or if you have good wide players who can cross.
Exploit The Middle – None defensive players will have their run from deep increased too often. Tells your team to focus their passing through the middle and any defenders and defensive midfielders will have their mentality changed to a more attacking one and be told to do through balls often. If you don’t use wide players then you should use this shout. It’s also great against teams who leave big gaping holes through the centre. I find it really effective against the 4231 (the CM one and not the DM) as the gap in the middle is huge.
I’m not sure how many of you are aware of this but there are actually two more shouts that can only be used when you use either contain or overload strategy. They are;
Play Even Safer - This shout is for the contain strategy only. It decreases all (except for strikers) run from deep and through balls to rarely. It also tells all the players except wingers to run with the ball rarely. You should use this if you don’t want your players to be adventurous and get pulled out of position. This is ideal for late in the game and protecting a lead.
Take More Risks – This shout if for the overload strategy only. Sets run from deep to often for all players on a support duty. Increases through balls to often and run with the ball for all players. Best used when you want to grab that equaliser or score that eluding goal at all costs.
Let’s have a look at some scenarios and talk about how I use a combination of shouts to work with my formations. Remember there is more combinations you can use but these are just the ones I make and use. So they will probably vary compared to what someone else uses.
You can make all these from the ‘shouts’ tab in the ‘Tactic’ overview screen.
Possession Shout’s
Winning Possession
We all have games where the opposition is having a lot of possession and you can’t get a hold of the ball. So if you face this scenario then the shouts I would use are;
Push higher up; get stuck in, Hassle opponents.
By pushing higher up you would be reducing the space available to the opposition in which they can pass around in. The get stuck in shout will help be more aggressive and can unsettle the calmness of the opposition players on the ball, in instructs them to tackle harder. And by using hassle opponents shout you’ll be changing to man marking and instructing players to closedown higher up
Retaining Possession
Some people enjoy dominating possession as they believe if the opposition don’t have the ball they can’t score. Which is true but it’s also a good tool to use when you want to close a game out and hold onto the current result. Rather than go defensive and invite un-needed pressure I believe this to be a lot less risky and just as effective;
Retain possession, pass to feet and drop deeper.
By using these shouts you’ll be asking the players to drop deeper and close down less. This will help retain the natural shape of the formation you use. Plus you’ll be using shorter passes and playing at a slower tempo while doing more through balls.
The above 2 shouts are what I end up using the most of from the various game’s I’ve got on the go.
Taking Advantage of Positional Weakness
The next shout might surprise a few of you as I’ve not seen many users post about this combination of shouts.
Sometimes we face formations that are vulnerable in the middle of the pitch. Yet our own formation might have good wingers and good central midfielders. So when I want to stretch the opponent I use these;
Exploit the middle and play wider.
This allows my players to play wider than normal but due to me normally outnumbering the opposition’s midfield it allows my central players more space on the ball. The opposition’s central players will also be stretched and this can create bit gaps to exploit. Obviously using this shout will depend on your own formation and how capable you are of actually playing through the middle. I like using this against 4231’s, 442’s and any other formation with just 2 central midfielders and no defensive midfielders.
You can also do the opposite and use;
Exploit the Flanks and play narrower.
I find this useful sometimes when the opposition out number me in the middle and I want to stay as compact as I can. Yet at the same time cause them problems down the wings. This is great to use against teams who don’t use wide players. I know this is a rare occurrence but sometimes you will face a team who don’t use wingers or wide attacking midfielders. This isn’t a shout I use often but I’ve used it a few times throughout the season.
Then we also have the normal approach many of you will no-doubt use at times.
Exploit the middle and play narrower.
I like using this combination if you yourself lack wide players and have a much stronger central midfield compared to the opposition. Plus if you don’t have wide players then all your play will be centrally, so makes sense to use this.
You might also find yourself;
Play wider and exploit the flanks.
This is useful for when you have stronger wide play than the opposition. Also useful if the opposition is all in the middle and you want to stretch them and don’t mind been wider in your own play.
Basically these are the only ones I really use often and it’s not a complete list, just a list of the shouts I happen to use currently. 支持 帮顶一下 其实我一开始也设置了很多指挥组合 后来发现这违背了我玩FM的初衷 FM对我来说是一款打AI的游戏 虽然可以玩家互动参与 但毕竟很少 这不是竞技游戏 比如我和WAR3 SC2 LOL DOTA都不同 策略类的游戏就是要做到一套战术或几套战术无微调打趴AI 其实我一开始也设置了很多指挥组合 后来发现这违背了我玩FM的初衷 FM对我来说是一款打AI的游戏 虽然可以玩家 ...
NIGHTDEW 发表于 2012-12-5 20:43 http://www.playgm.cn/images/common/back.gif
这个就是存在争议，SI一直致力于打击爱弄超级阵形玩家的快乐……其实有时候换换思路玩也不错
http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/327286-Mr-Hough-FM13-First-Patch-Tactics./page10 这个mr hough的战术贴，后边几页，大家展开了大讨论，大争论，懂英文的应该看看 MR也开始搞临场了，不容易啊 下一个应该轮到James了！ mark一下~~~ MAKE了 备用 这个好 就是因为喊话才放弃拉线阵的 求2楼的翻译 回复 13# vonkaka22
同求 再求2楼翻译！ 和guidetofm论坛上讲得差不多，连组合键推荐都差不多，其实我不太明白的是，在需要防守时，到底是直接调低防守心态还是喊话来得更有效，比如用control的心态，那么是喊drop deeper还是直接调成standard对比赛的影响更显著？ mark一下回去学习学习 和guidetofm论坛上讲得差不多，连组合键推荐都差不多，其实我不太明白的是，在需要防守时，到底是直接调低防 ...
nowi41 发表于 2012-12-6 14:00 http://www.playgm.cn/images/common/back.gif
喊话相当于经典战术的微调，以前是拉几格，现在直接效果化了，而且见效感觉比以前微调快，比如感觉比赛失控我设置加强逼抢那几项，马上就能重新掌握主动……
你说的调整standard是阵形的风格，不能简单与以前微调的心态换等号
这个我只有全攻和全守两个喊话有调整，mr hough他是完全不调整的。 喊话相当于经典战术的微调，以前是拉几格，现在直接效果化了，而且见效感觉比以前微调快，比如感觉比 ...
greenriver 发表于 2012-12-6 14:18 http://www.playgm.cn/images/common/back.gif
恩，我刚也看完了他的回复，也有人问了他这个问题，貌似他是都用default的，其他的靠喊话调整，但其实我个人觉得他这篇文章有抛砖引玉的意思，仅仅是一个思路而不是必然可行的指引，我看有人回复他说用几个队试了效果都不理想。
而且我个人觉得他有点片面，你看他说他不用OI（感觉有点从极左到极右的味道，我觉得OI什么的也都有作用，包括阵型的选择更是，只不过不同的方式权重不一样，所以还是要综合使用），对于shoutinstructions就像他自己说的，也有争论，比如对阵曼城的423amc1，那么究竟是play wide配exploit blank，还是play narrowe配exploit blank？我觉得是后者，那么进一步的，我觉得可以试试看在一个百搭的阵型上，比如41221，或者hough的42dm31上，试试看针对对手不同阵型的喊话战术，其实是对他现在的喊话组合一个很好的补充。比如帖子里有人提到的，对付大菱形442，就playwide配throughmiddle，效果很好。 恩，我刚也看完了他的回复，也有人问了他这个问题，貌似他是都用default的，其他的靠喊话调整，但 ...
nowi41 发表于 2012-12-6 14:36 http://www.playgm.cn/images/common/back.gif
他原来做经典战术的思路也是一阵到底，完全不微调……现在感觉还是这个路子，喊话他也刚开始研究，肯定不完善的
主要就是这个新思路，以前我们是把重心放在比赛前，完善一个超级阵形，现在是把阵形的作用降低，重心放到临场指挥上
我现在档在玩豪门，没有太关心针对阵形，反正所有比赛都是控制着踢完，发现控制不住就加强逼抢，老打不开局面就试下边路……现在直接一吼就能达到以前调格格的作用，方便太多了，一场比赛吼上四五次也腰不酸腿不痛。等周末开个中甲档试下
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