有哪个不错的战术是用防守型前锋的？

常有晴

推荐一个，或者发个阵型角色图也行
谢谢

kpsia118

有个网站，guidetofm。据说他们还出书，一本7英镑。

这里有很多战术样本，这只是示范样本，但不是一阵百场那种。只是我抄下来玩感觉不错。
有各大类型的阵，由长传高吊，到pass & move，到传控都有。

https://www.guidetofm.com/tactics/example-tactics


这是自由直传进攻足球-从中路进攻

Flexible Direct Attacking Football – Attacking Through the Middle – 2 Carrileros / Defensive Forward

Team mentality: Control – to implement the attacking football core style

Team shape: Flexible – to implement a flexible playing system – style methods are therefore implemented using a mixture of team instructions and tactical roles

Other team instructions:

More Direct Passing – to implement the direct plays attacking style
Use Offside Trap – to implement the stepping up style method
Run At Defence – to implement the direct dribbles style method

Formation type: 4-3-3

Formation name: 4-1-2-1-2 DM/AM (narrow 4-4-2 diamond) – formation score* 1.07 – this is a fairly advanced formation so applies even greater defensive pressure* to the opposition team’s deeper players – uses three central attacker playing positions so play can be focused to central attack*

Player roles and duties (including focus levels and key tactical roles):

GK: Goalkeeper (GK Defend)
D: Holding CB – 2.0 – Central Defender (Off-Centre CB Defend) – orthodox, covering, safe-playing, stopper central defender
D: Holding CB – 2.0 – Central Defender (Off-Centre CB Defend) – orthodox, covering, safe-playing, stopper central defender
D: Offensive FB – 2.0 – Full Back (FB Attack) – attacking, shielding wide creator
D: Offensive FB – 2.0 – Full Back (FB Attack) – attacking, shielding wide creator
M: Holding DM – 3.0 – Defensive Midfielder (CDM Defend) – covering central midfield water-carrier
M: Supporting CM – 1.5 – Carrilero (Wide and Off-Centre CM Support) – pressing, number-eight central midfield creator – auxiliary pressuring wide creator
M: Supporting CM – 1.5 – Carrilero (Wide and Off-Centre CM Support) – pressing, number-eight central midfield creator – auxiliary pressuring wide creator
A: Supporting AM – 1.5 – Attacking Midfielder (CAM Support) – number-ten, pressuring central attack runner, goal-scorer
A: Supporting CF – 2.5 – Defensive Forward (Off-Centre CF Support) – pressuring central attack runner
A: Offensive CF – 2.0 – Deep Lying Forward (Off-Centre CF Attack) – number-nine, number-ten, pressuring, spearhead central attacker
Focus levels and the recommended minimum number of key tactical roles are shown in italics.

Key tactical roles are not shown where a player would be atypical or vacating.

Other player instructions:

2 Full Backs (FB Attack)
Cross From Deep – to implement the crosses from deep style method

Defensive Midfielder (DM Defend)
Close Down Less (or use Anchor Man if not possible) – to make him a restrained central midfielder more focused on providing attacking cover and defensive cover who can counterbalance the Carrileros more effectively

2 Carrileros (CM Support)
Close Down More – to make them auxiliary pressuring wide players as no other such tactical roles are used
Attacking Midfielder (AM Support)
More Risky Passes – to implement the risky passes style method and assign a technical number-ten tactical role as no other such tactical role is used

按这段文字直接抄就可，设定很简单，没有繁复或太多的指令。

之前LZ研究了，角色工作分类，什么角色，适合什么心态。
正好这里，有这一页有提到类似的东西，什么角色，适合什么心态与风格。
还提到那些角色的工作分类，如殿后、组织等的。


https://www.guidetofm.com/tactics/starter-guide

cccCh3nqre

442阵型比较适合DF
当然，还是得球员合适这个职责

常有晴

kpsia118 发表于 2018-8-30 09:15
有个网站，guidetofm。据说他们还出书，一本7英镑。

这里有很多战术样本，这只是示范样本，但不是一阵百 ...

谢谢，我目前不确定的是DF到底是用于直传还是控球打法
我倾向控球打法，而且是单前锋，后面搭配两个SF来达到对对方后防线的压迫
但目前试了一下效果不是很好。
可能DF太特别，还需要对手后场没那么多人的情况

kpsia118

常有晴 发表于 2018-8-30 13:13
谢谢，我目前不确定的是DF到底是用于直传还是控球打法
我倾向控球打法，而且是单前锋，后面搭配两个SF来 ...

如果根据guidetofm作者建议：

DF适合“直传打法”及“防守足球”打法。而且适合“灵活”及“严格”风格。

但“防守足球”，也有分成“激进型的防守”，及“小心型的防守”。
DF适合“激进型多些”。

DF适合“直传打法”，直来直去的风格，风格别太自由的打法。

作者认为，DF在进攻方面属于“Runner”角色。就是后插上，或插上支援这类工作。

DF不适合扭扭捏捏的短传踢法，太自由风格的也不适合

针尖上舞动

全是鸟文，看不懂。

常有晴

kpsia118 发表于 2018-8-30 13:57
如果根据guidetofm作者建议：

DF适合“直传打法”及“防守足球”打法。而且适合“灵活”及“严格” ...

DF不太可能后插上，前插最多混合，所以不是后插上，而是拖后

dengshaohao

活捉常大。。

kpsia118

常有晴 发表于 2018-8-30 16:03
DF不太可能后插上，前插最多混合，所以不是后插上，而是拖后

应该偶尔性的，就像TM主要工作不是前插。

作者的是这样表达，

Number-nines = 9号工作
Runners = 前跑，或插上
Spearheads = 箭头
Number-tens = 10号工作

这是说在这种特定防守足球类型里，如果你摆了DF-策应，他会以Runners姿态出现。

Defensive Football
These roles and duties are more suitable for defensive football when using a more structured or flexible playing system in particular.

Number-nines:

Target Man (CF Attack)2
Poacher (CF Attack)3

Runners:

Target Man (CF Support)2
Defensive Forward (CF Support)1,2 – slightly more suitable for aggressive defensive football

Number-tens (target-men):

Target Man (CF Support/Attack)2

Spearheads:

Target Man (CF Support/Attack)2

Others:

Defensive Forward (CF Defend)1,2 – slightly more suitable for aggressive defensive football

1You may want to counteract this role’s tactical instructions with appropriate Playing Style Customisation if you use it for a ‘contrasting’ playing style – discussed later in this Starter Guide.

2This role instructs a focus on the use of physical presence and is most suitable for use with an Attacking Midfielder, Advanced Playmaker (AM), Shadow Striker, Deep Lying Forward, Advanced Forward or Poacher.

3This role instructs a focus on the use of mobility and is most suitable for use with a Deep Lying Forward (CF Support) or Target Man (CF Support).

Direct Plays

These roles and duties are more suitable for direct plays when using a more structured or flexible playing system in particular.

Number-nines:

Target Man (CF Attack)1,2 – slightly more suitable for long ball football
Poacher (CF Attack)3

Runners:

Target Man (CF Support)1,2 – slightly more suitable for long ball football
Defensive Forward (CF Support)2
Inverted Winger (WM Attack)1 – slightly more suitable for direct attacking football
Number-tens (target-men):

Target Man (CF Support/Attack)1,2 – slightly more suitable for long ball football

Spearheads:

Target Man (CF Support/Attack)1,2 – slightly more suitable for long ball football
Others:

Defensive Forward (CF Defend)2
1You may want to counteract this role’s tactical instructions with appropriate Playing Style Customisation if you use it for a ‘contrasting’ playing style – discussed later in this Starter Guide.

2This role instructs a focus on the use of physical presence and is most suitable for use with an Attacking Midfielder, Advanced Playmaker (AM), Shadow Striker, Deep Lying Forward, Advanced Forward or Poacher.

3This role instructs a focus on the use of mobility and is most suitable for use with a Deep Lying Forward (CF Support) or Target Man (CF Support).

看来作者说的应该是，组合平衡，组合搭配。

kpsia118

常有晴 发表于 2018-8-30 16:03
DF不太可能后插上，前插最多混合，所以不是后插上，而是拖后

仔细翻看了一遍，看来这里Runners指的是“on the ball runners”。
“on the ball runners”= 带球速跑。

所以老外的runners，分成带球前跑，与无球插上。


所以这里指的是，DF带球前跑，不是无球前插。

常有晴

测试过了，效果很好
DF用于控球打法，适合搭配BWM和T
控球肯定就是短传了，而且是打中路
BWM和DF负责压迫对方后防线包括中场，T负责组织

红军之魂

常有晴 发表于 2018-9-2 08:19
测试过了，效果很好
DF用于控球打法，适合搭配BWM和T
控球肯定就是短传了，而且是打中路

阵发出来试试啊

davechan

常大师居然不发战术了....

猛龙过大江

防守型前锋 就是拼抢旺盛的单前锋吧，类似于本泽马前面当支点的，感觉代表就是瓦尔迪，迭戈科斯塔这种，貌似曼朱基奇也可以但是现实不是踢的前锋，拜仁那段时间有点像。