akashi 发表于 2022-4-20 21:48
I agree with that. My doubt is how you find the "answer" of the patch/expansion because we can see ...
Like I said in the first post, it's all about testing, testing and testing. I leave my PC running experiments while I'm working, then I check if there is any sort of improvement. After some time, you start understand what works and what doesn't, so you walk more in the right direction instead of making random changes. It also helps a bit that lots of people make tweaks with my tactics, so I can see from their results if there is something good or bad to guide my next experiments.
For reference, I'm a computer scientist with PhD in experimental algorithms, and my focus of research has always been optimization problems and metaheuristics. In this field, we practice a lot how to identify patterns and use it to guide our search algorithms. I believe I use lots of that knowledge when building my tactics.
After Blue got popular last year, I also got offered some classes on actual football and did some part time stuff in an amateur team, but I didn't have the time to get a coaching license. Maybe in the future.
非常感谢ZaZ的回复，我最近在使用BLUE 4.0这个战术。经过我30场比赛的观察（有5场看了接近全场），感觉在中后卫这个位置增加盘带并不能扯动对方的阵型创造出机会。反而会拖慢节奏进入阵地战。经常有中后卫下底传中的场面。而高中锋争顶头球进球的几率却非常低。请问中后卫增加盘带的本意是为了什么呢？
aaforever 发表于 2022-4-21 10:49
非常感谢ZaZ的回复，我最近在使用BLUE 4.0这个战术。经过我30场比赛的观察（有5场看了接近全场），感觉在中 ...
The intention is for them to move forward with the ball before passing. Since they are instructed to dribble, they will cover a bit of the field until a dribble is possible. Then they will look at their options and understand that passing has way higher chance of success than dribbling, and will choose that option instead. If you check the statistics at the end of season, you will notice they barely attempt any dribble at all during matches, so it's all about moving forward with the ball if they have space.
can you make a tactic for Tuchel's Chelsea? Thank you@ZaZ
ZaZ 发表于 2022-4-21 00:11
Like I said in the first post, it's all about testing, testing and testing. I leave my PC running...
That's the answer I want, I asked the process of making a tactic from atechnical point of game,not football aspect(not expressed well).
Does fm have interfaces for simulation or you just open your fm client and run the tests on your cloud server?Could you share the sizeof your simulation amount and servers? Meanwhile i 'm not familiar with how fm-arena do it's simulation,can not believe set a tactic then go on holiday
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akashi 发表于 2022-4-23 00:15
That's the answer I want, I asked the process of making a tactic from atechnical point of game,n ...
I created an editor file where all leagues and international teams are removed, except clubs and competitions from England. Then I changed all players from Premier League and Sky Bet Championship to have maximum consistency, important matches, natural fitness and minimum injury proneness. I started two games in that league, each with 4 teams (2 in Premier, 2 in Championship) selected based on season odds, picking the first and last of each league, as well as first and last of the half table (in premier league, that's the 1st, 6th, 15th and 20th predicted). Then I set the same tactic to all of them and run five first seasons of each save, for a total of 40 seasons from all teams. That's (38 * 4) + (46 * 4) matches for each run, or 1680 matches. Data collected are points per match and goal difference per match, which are then organized in a table and compared to other tactics using a simple rank test.
Keep in mind that there is still lots of variance, so final results are only enough to give a hint of how good a tactic is, but the most promising ones might need additional runs to increase the confidence level.
About Tuchel for Chelsea, I don't think I'll have the time to work with that. People ask me for tactics all time, but I only do those things on my free time (which is getting even shorter since I'm also deveolping my own game with my wife). I hope you understand.
请问blue4.0各个位置的球员重要属性能力都是什么啊
Hi ZaZ. After using your green 5.0 tactics, the team's overall performance figures become rather optimistic, with an average of over 25 shots per game, and a record of 24 wins and 1 draw in 25 games tested. However, the team has gloomy defence issues, goals conceded over 1.3 per game. What adjustment strategy should be adopted to ensure the strength of the team's defence? Have tried to get past the offside trap, adjusting their mentality after a big lead and adapting their wing-back duties to tackling, but the stragety was not that effective.@ZaZ
MUN01 发表于 2022-4-26 10:59
Hi ZaZ. After using your green 5.0 tactics, the team's overall performance figures become rather opt ...
Green 5.0 should be pretty solid in the back, I don't think any adjustment is needed for the tactic itself. If you are still conceding a lot, it's probably a problem with player quality, possibly with slow defenders. Anyway, I wouldn't bother much about that when you are getting 97.3% of points.
moon1987916 发表于 2022-4-25 19:01
请问blue4.0各个位置的球员重要属性能力都是什么啊
Check this https://www.playgm.cn/thread-943500-1-1.html]link.
感谢分享
aha，catch the man
您好，Zaz，请教下，BLUE5.0 的前锋必须是F9吗？我阵容里有卢卡，可以改成什么角色？
Hello, zaz, please consult Blue5.0 Must the forwardbe F9? I have Luca in my team. What role can I change to?
maxww351 发表于 2022-5-7 00:43
您好，Zaz，请教下，BLUE5.0 的前锋必须是F9吗？我阵容里有卢卡，可以改成什么角色？
I assume you mean Green 5.0, right? For that tactic, F9 works better than AF, so if you change to other role it might lose performance.
ZaZ 发表于 2022-5-7 05:45
I assume you mean Green 5.0, right? For that tactic, F9 works better than AF, so if you change to...
不好意思，写错了，确实说的是GREEN 5.0 ，我的意思是说，我的队伍里有洛伦佐.卢卡这样的前锋，虽然速度提高了点，但肯定不适合F9这个角色，我该怎么办呀？或者说，您的意思是不管这个球员的属性分配，只要设置成F9就可以了？
Sorry, I made a mistake. I really said green 5.0. I mean, Lorenzo Luca （the tall striker）is on my team， although his speed has been improved, is definitely not suitable for the role of F9. What should I do? Or do you mean that regardless of the player's attribute assignment, just set it to F9?
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maxww351 发表于 2022-5-7 07:35
不好意思，写错了，确实说的是GREEN 5.0 ，我的意思是说，我的队伍里有洛伦佐.卢卡这样的前锋，虽然速度 ...
Yeah, the tactic works better for those roles, even with players not suited for them. Remember that role ability (the stars in tactic screen) are just cosmetic, they have no effect on the game. They are basically the opinion of your assistant manager on how well your player fits the role, but most of the attributes he uses for the analysis are irrelevant.
I still advise to search for a better F9 next window, because Luca is pretty slow (not sure how he is there, but he starts with 11 of pace and acceleration) and his attributes are mostly suited to floating crosses. Meanwhile, you can keep using him as F9 if he is your best striker, since he isn't a bad player at all. He just wastes too much CA in attributes that are not very relevant, but that only makes a big difference when he reaches the top of his ability and stops growing.
你好，ZAZ，你的观点给了我很多启发，和你的tactic一样令人印象深刻，深表感谢。
关于GREEN 5.0，我的问题是F9大体是一个更像前腰的位置，那么球员选择的时候是不是可以按照之前BULE 4.0给前腰选材的标准来呢？不知道这样的理解是否有误，所以如果可以的话，你能否对F9有更进一步的介绍呢？甚至是和9号半的异同之类的。
Hello ZAZ, your perspective has inspired me a lot, as impressive as your tactic, and I am deeply grateful.
Regarding GREEN 5.0, my question is that F9 is generally a more AMC-like position, so can the player choose according to the criteria for the selection of AMC in the previous BULE 4.0?
I don't know if this understanding is wrong,if it's convenient,can you introduce F9 further?For example, the similarities and differences with the F9 and T in specific uses.
Anyway thanks~!
paomosuile 发表于 2022-5-8 04:14
你好，ZAZ，你的观点给了我很多启发，和你的tactic一样令人印象深刻，深表感谢。
关于GREEN 5.0，我的问 ...
In short, F9 is a striker that doesn't focus on scoring when you have possession, but instead he drops deeper between defenders and midfielders to receive the ball in a position where he can give a good pass. If defenders follow him, they open space for inside forwards or central midfielders, and if they don't follow him, then you have a creative player unmarked very close to the goal, so he has high chance to deliver a deadly pass to one of his team mates. Additionally, if defenders focus on the players coming from the flank or from behind, F9 will often have a 1v1 situation to dribble and score by themselves. Because of that, F9 are usually better alone in the front (to attract the defenders) and with the AM area free so they can be unmarked there.
They are different from DLP because F9 wants to receive the ball in an empty space to create opportunities for team mates coming from the flanks or from behind, while DLP wants the ball closer to defenders to pass it to a second striker nearby. As you can see, F9 is all about mobility and vision, while DLP needs some strength and balance to keep the ball while being contested and and be able to pass the ball closer to the goal.
本帖最后由 Pavel_Nedved 于 2022-5-9 18:19 编辑
确实，green 5.0 感觉比 blue 4.0 更稳定，至少在防守端也许更适合弱队。F9的设定很好，能拉扯对方中后卫的站位，给两个边的IF和两个CM.at创造后插上的机会。
但是前锋的角色来说，突前前锋毕竟是主流，适合的F9比较稀少，也浪费了队里的现有人选
Pavel_Nedved 发表于 2022-5-9 18:15
确实，green 5.0 感觉比 blue 4.0 更稳定，至少在防守端也许更适合弱队。F9的设定很好，能拉扯对方中后卫的 ...
Just use your best striker there. It's not like you need Messi there, any player with good mobility (pace and acceleration) will usually do well there.