有没有人研究过，“后防线后撤”和“后防线收缩更多”有什么区别

kyoleels

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我就是大胡子

没有，希腊奶

xyhcln

根据具体描叙，前者针对后防线，后者针对整体。但是前者可以设置成高位逼抢+大幅后撤，这样就跟后者形成矛盾了，所以这就是SI的一个错误。就好像DLFS可以设置坚守位置一样，与自身的跑肋部接球是完全相反不能共存的。

kyoleels

xyhcln 发表于 2025-2-19 09:47
根据具体描叙，前者针对后防线，后者针对整体。但是前者可以设置成高位逼抢+大幅后撤，这样就跟后者形成矛 ...

高位逼抢+大幅后撤好像没有问题，就是阵型会纵向拉得很开，前锋那个确实怪怪的

胡砸闯天关

逼抢从哪里开始，和扑地凶不凶是两个概念。包括比赛节奏，你会发现当你从防守调整到进攻时，不光是压迫线会一直提高到对面守门员脸上，上抢的积极性也不一样。
而凶狠逼抢其实一直被很多人误解了，凶狠逼抢指的是当对方已经拿到脚下球之后，你去抢断的队员是积极下脚去断，还是不断球只是压迫对方动作，所以神阵之所以都不吝惜点上凶狠逼抢，就是因为这样能让对脚下球的抢断数明显提高（当然，如果你ca低，那成功率不会太高）
至于犯规，其实不是凶狠逼抢造成的，而是游戏随机数和球员倾向造成的，其中游戏随机数影响更大，同样一场比赛你SL，可以出现前一场拿五六张牌，后一场你没牌但对面好几张牌的情况，所以我的建议就是不用太在意犯规这种事，毕竟在系统局里，你家的老好人也会抽风一个飞铲给自己放个假的。

kyoleels

胡砸闯天关 发表于 2025-2-19 13:25
逼抢从哪里开始，和扑地凶不凶是两个概念。包括比赛节奏，你会发现当你从防守调整到进攻时，不光是压迫线会 ...

谢了，我消化一下

doublepaopao

The best way to think of the two options is like this.

Defensive line in defensive shape = How high you want your defensive line to be when out of possession?

Defensive line as an team instruction Drop off more / Step up more = How do you want your defensive line to behave?

For example if you want to engage high & press high but you have a slower back 4, you may want them to position higher to stay close to the rest of the team and stay compact. But also because they aren't the fastest, the moment the press is beaten or an opposing player has time on the ball with no pressure on it you may want them to start to drop to prevent being beaten in behind.

Now in FM23 you can create this by selecting your defensive line to be higher in the team defensive shape to help stay compact and support the high press your team is employing, but now as a behavior in the defensive line team instruction you can select them to " drop off more" to prevent the obvious issue of a long pass in behind,

To be clear It's not an additional instruction to make the defensive line to just go higher or lower then the initial selection in team shape.

Hopefully this helps everyone!

2022年官方答案，精简版答案，回溯老版本设置UI可知，一个是全队设置，一个是个人设置，仅此而已

kyoleels

doublepaopao 发表于 2025-2-19 17:47
The best way to think of the two options is like this.

Defensive line in defensive shape = How hi ...

豁然开朗，谢谢大哥